Tor-Olav Foss Baldersheim

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Facebook nekter å slette gruppe som vil ta Hamza Kashgari

"Den saudiarabiske journalisten Hamza Kashgari skrev på Twitter at profeten Muhammed er hans likemann. Nå risikerer han dødsdom."

Publisert: 15. feb 2012

Skriver Fri Tanke i sin artikkel om ham og samme fremstilling kan leses i the Guardian og flere andre aviser:

http://fritanke.no/index.php?page=vis_nyhet&NyhetID=8753

 

Selve saken handler om en ung mann som skrev til Muhammed på Twitter i Saudi Arabia. Det skulle han ikke gjort, for nå risikerer han dødsdom.

Saken har fått internasjonal oppmerksomhet, blant annet fordi Interpol er anklaget for å ha hjulpet Malaysia med å få ham sendt til Saudi Arabia, under dekke av at han var terrorist.

En gruppe på nett er opprettet for å hjelpe ham. Denne er internasjonal. Dessverre rapporteres det at saudiske medlemmer nå arresteres.

Samtidig er det en annen og langt større gruppe som vil ha hevn over Hamza Kashgari. Denne er på arabisk og tross gjentatte klager nekter Facebook å slette den. Nå er har hackere gått til spam-angrep.

Via google translate kan man lese innholdet. Man må bare kopiere teksten først. Den aktuelle gruppen og deretter oversettelse av gruppens navn:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/kashgre/

http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%B9%D8%A8%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%8A%20%D9%8A%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%AF%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%B5%20%D9%85%D9%86%20%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%B2%D8%A9%20%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%BA%D8%B1%D9%8A

 

Kommentar #1

Tor-Olav Foss Baldersheim

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Publisert over 9 år siden

Her er eksempler fra siden Facebook nekter å ta ned. Hacker-angrepet vises også:

Abod Alenzy DO NOT FREE KASCHGARI. We are known. We are a big nation. We do not care about you. We only care about us. NO ONE CAN STOP US. WE ALL WANNA PUNISH KASCHGARI. WE ALL WANNA PUNISH KASCHGARI. WE ALL WANNA PUNISH KASCHGARI.for 47 minutter siden أسماء الزهراني liker dette. Simon SpernerFREE KASCHGARI - We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us!for 40 minutter siden Abod AlenzyDO NOT FREE KASCHGARI. We are known. We are a big nation. We do not care about you. We only care about us. NO ONE CAN STOP US. WE ALL WANNA PUNISH KASCHGARI. WE ALL WANNA PUNISH KASCHGARI. WE ALL WANNA PUNISH KASCHGARI.for 13 minutter siden Alkoven HeilstaettenFREE KASCHGARI - We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us!for 11 minutter siden
Kommentar #2

Tor-Olav Foss Baldersheim

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Der Spiegel kaller siden for en lynsjemobb bestående av 25 000 mennesker.

 

Es ist ein digitaler Lynchmob, der sich im Internet zusammengerottet hat: Mehr als 25.000 Menschen sind bislang der Facebook-Gruppe "Das saudische Volk will die Bestrafung von Hamsa Kaschgari" beigetreten. Die meisten User, die sich auf der Pinnwand der Gruppe äußern, lassen keinen Zweifel daran, wie diese Strafe aussehen muss: Sie fordern den Tod des 23-jährigen Journalisten, weil er ihrer Meinung nach den Propheten Mohammed beleidigt und sich damit der Blasphemie schuldig gemacht haben soll.

 

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,815501,00.html

Kommentar #3

Oddbjørn Johannessen

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Tragisk og skandaløst

Publisert over 9 år siden

Flott at du tar dette opp her også, Tor-Olav.  Hamza Kashgari-saken er tragisk i seg selv. At Facebook ikke vil slette denne hat-gruppen, er både tragisk og skandaløst!

Kommentar #4

Tor-Olav Foss Baldersheim

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Sheik tar til tårene mens han ber om dødsstraff for journalisten

Publisert over 9 år siden
Kommentar #5

Tor-Olav Foss Baldersheim

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Utkast til brev

Publisert over 9 år siden

Dette utkastet er laget av Geir Opdal:

 

Fra kilder i Saudi-Arabia har vi fått høre at Saudi medlemmer av Facebook gruppen "Free Hamza Kashgari" blir også blir arrestert. Dette begynner å utvikle seg til en særdeles alvorlig sak for religionsfrihet og yttringsfrihet. Jeg vil med dette be stortinget instendig om å gripe fatt i saken. Om dette blir tatt opp i stortingssalen, vil pressen og verden få vite at Norge bryr seg om om disse ytterst viktige temaer. Det er viktig å få satt fokus på dette,slik at Saudi-Arabiske myndigheter får se at verden ikke kan la slike uhyrligheter passere.

Som De ser av presse listen under her, har verden nå begynt å få øynene opp for denne saken. Mange av Hamzas støttespillere risikerer livet sitt bare ved å ha navnet sitt i grupper som Free Hamza Kashgari.

Vær så snill og vise at Norge bryr seg.

An archive of international coverage about Hamza.

======= Australia =======

Herald Sun, Feb 13th: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/hamza-kashgari-faces-criminal-charges-over-twitter-remarks/story-fn7celvh-1226269485790

======= Austria =======

derStandard, Feb 13th: http://derstandard.at/1328507594150/Journalist-Malaysia-liefert-Hamza-Kashgari-an-Saudi-Arabien-aus

diePresse, Feb 13th: http://diepresse.com/home/panorama/welt/731994/Blogger-droht-in-Saudiarabien-die-Todesstrafe?from=suche.intern.portal

======= Belgium =======

RTBF, Feb 13th: http://www.rtbf.be/info/emissions/article_mediatic-la-mort-pour-quelques-tweets?id=7562493

La Libre, Feb 13th: http://www.lalibre.be/actu/international/article/719486/un-journaliste-saoudien-menace-de-mort-pour-un-tweet.html

======= Canada =======

Huffington Post, Feb 13th: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/shahla-khan-salter/hamza-kashgiri-deported_b_1272222.html

Huffington Post, Feb 13th: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/farzana-hassan/hamza-kashgiri-deported_b_1272280.html?ref=canada-politics

======= Germany =======

Spiegel Online, Feb 10th: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,814479,00.html

Stern, Feb 13th: http://www.stern.de/news2/aktuell/saudiarabischer-journalist-bei-ankunft-in-riad-festgenommen-1785969.html

Sueddeutsche, Feb 13th: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/d5w38L/464575/Malaysia-liefert-aus.html Sueddeutsche, Feb 13th: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/mohammed-kritik-auf-twitter-warum-facebook-nutzer-den-tod-eines-saudis-fordern-1.1283076

Spiegel Online, Feb 13th: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,814785,00.html

Spiegel Online, Feb 13th: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,814869,00.html

Deutschlandradio, Feb 13th: http://wissen.dradio.de/meinungsfreiheit-twitterer-droht-todesstrafe.33.de.html?dram%3Aarticle_id=15024

Welt Online, Feb 13th: http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article13865705/Blogger-soll-sterben-weil-er-Mohammed-nicht-anbetet.html

======= Luxembourg =======

5minutes, Feb 10th: http://5minutes.rtl.lu/fr/actualite/hightech/195633.html

5minutes, Feb 13th: http://5minutes.rtl.lu/fr/actualite/hightech/197105.html

======= Norway =======

Document.no, Feb 12th: http://www.document.no/2012/02/hamza-kashgari-utlevert-til-saudi-arabia/

Aftenposten, Feb 13th: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/Tvitret--risikerer-dodsstraff-6760983.html#.TzpGnbgf7hs

ABCNyheter, Feb 14th: http://www.abcnyheter.no/nyheter/2012/02/14/kan-bli-halshogd-tvitring

======= Spain =======

El País, Feb 12th: http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2012/02/12/actualidad/1329060502_475623.html

El País, Feb 13th: http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2012/02/13/actualidad/1329156249_067169.html

======= Switzerland =======

Basler Zeitung, Feb 13th: http://bazonline.ch/ausland/naher-osten-und-afrika/Malaysia-liefert-MohammedZweifler-an-Saudiarabien-aus/story/31640120

20 Minuten Online, Feb 13th: http://www.20min.ch/news/ausland/story/Drei-Tweets-waren-sein-Todesurteil-30809113

======= United Kingdom =======

BBC News, Feb 10th: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16977903

BBC News, Feb 12th: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17001900

The Guardian, Feb 13th: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/12/malaysia-deports-saudi-journalist-prophet

The Guardian, Feb 13th http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/13/malaysia-defends-saudi-journalist-deportation

Telegraph, Feb 13th: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9077491/Malaysia-deports-Saudi-blogger-despite-fear-of-execution.html

======= United States =======

Washington Post, Feb 10th: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/saudi-writer-detained-after-tweets-about-muhammad/2012/02/09/gIQApsgW2Q_story.html

CNN, Feb 12th: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/12/world/asia/malaysia-saudi-tweets/

New York Times, Feb 13th: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/world/asia/malaysia-detains-saudi-over-twitter-posts-on-prophet.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-kings-hypocrisy/2012/02/13/gIQA71wxBR_story.html

In Defense of Hamza Kashgari

On the birthday of the Prophet (February 4th), Hamza Kashgari, a 23-year old Saudi

journalist, posted the following on Twitter:

“1- On your birthday, I will say that I have loved the rebel in you, that you've always

been a source of inspiration to me, and that I do not like the halos of divinity around

you. I shall not pray for you.

2- On your birthday, I find you wherever I turn. I will say that I have loved aspects of

you, hated others, and could not understand many more.

3- On your birthday, I shall not bow to you. I shall not kiss your hand. Rather, I shall

shake it as equals do, and smile at you as you smile at me. I shall speak to you as a

friend, no more.” (Translated from Arabic)

The Saudi public reacted vigorously, thousands of Internet users calling for his arrest,

trial and execution for blasphemy. Hamza Kashgari immediately posted a retraction and

an apology on Twitter. A Facebook page entitled “The Saudi people want the execution

of Hamza Kashgari” was created (it boasts today, February 12th, more than 18,000

members).1

On February 5th a famous Islamist activist, sheikh Nasir al-Omar, dedicated his regular

lesson (watched on youtube by hundreds of thousands) to the issue and called for the

eradication of blasphemy and the execution of Hamza Kashgari.2 Thousands of faxes

and telegrams were sent to the Saudi Royal Court while thousands of lawsuits were filed

against him within Saudi Arabia. Dozens of thousands of angry Twitter and Facebook

users were calling for his death, posting his address online and disclosing details about

his family. The scale of the campaign is explained by the fact that, according to several

witnesses, organized Islamist activists were following Hamza Kashgari’s writings since

many months, waiting for an opportunity to get at him.

On February 6th, Hamza Kashgari left Saudi Arabia for New Zealand via Kuala Lumpur.

While looking for a connecting flight at Kuala Lumpur airport he was arrested and

detained. Later that same day, the Saudi King, Abdallah bin Abdelaziz Al Saud, ordered

Hamza Kashgari’s arrest and interrogation.

On February 7th, the Saudi Permanent Fatwa Committee convened under the presidency

of sheikh Abdelaziz Al al-Sheikh, General Mufti of Saudi Arabia, and published an official

communiqué describing Hamza Kashgari as an apostate and a heretic – an accusation

1

See: https://www.facebook.com/groups/211533478943735/

See a subtitled version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9kAVlnGMTU

2

that in Saudi courts carries the death penalty.3 The Saudi minister of Culture and

Information banned Hamza Kashgari from publication.

The Kashgari case has mobilized human rights organizations,4 fellow journalists,

academics and the general public worldwide. More than 4,000 people have signed a

petition asking the Malaysian authorities not to deport him to Saudi Arabia, where he

would face an unfair trial and the perspective of a death penalty.5 Many more have

signed an open letter to Malaysian Prime Minister to the same effect.6

Hamza Kashgari has been detained incommunicado by the Malaysian authorities,

which refused him the right to consult a lawyer. He has been handed over to the Saudi

police on the morning of February 12th despite a court order obtained by his lawyers to

prevent his extradition.7

Hamza Kashgari’s only chance not to face a harsh punishment is the recognition by the

highest Saudi authorities of the benign nature of his posts on Twitter and of the hateful

campaign waged against him by Islamist extremists – a campaign that jeopardizes the

image of Saudi Arabia worldwide, the image of Islam, and the peace and security of

Saudi society.

New York, February 12, 2012

Mvh

Kommentar #6

Robin Haug

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Tor-Olav Foss Baldersheim. Gå til den siterte teksten.

Dette begynner å utvikle seg til en særdeles alvorlig sak for religionsfrihet og yttringsfrihet.

Flott at du tar opp dette, Baldersheim!

Jeg vil også benytte anledningen til å kommentere det flotte brevutkastet til Opdal. Ovenfor har jeg sitert en setning. Setningen er en klar underdrivelse, jfr.: "Dette begynner å utvikle seg..." 

Det er jo, rett sett, ikke tale om noe som begynner å utvikle seg. Det er tale om kalde, harde kjensgjerninger, som har vært i full gang lenge.

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Litt på siden: kunne se for meg at dette ble --- hvis det ikke allerede er? --- et internettvirus hvor folk, for å vise sin støtte, sier det samme: "Muhammed, du er min likemann."

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